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	<title>Comments on: Replacing AVI/FLV with MP4 what do you think?</title>
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		<title>By: manuee</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>manuee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard Querin

Thanks a lot for the offer! However, the screencasts (and site) will be in spanish, so I doubt that your visitors would benefit from the link... wouldn&#039;t make much sense. We are doing it in spanish because there&#039;s a huge deficit in documentation/screencasts for drupal in this language. Again, thanks!


@heathenx

About the vote, I voted for avi, but I guess i jumped into the vote too quickly... my vote would be now with mp4 after geting more information on the issue. Just thought I should mention this for what is worth! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard Querin</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for the offer! However, the screencasts (and site) will be in spanish, so I doubt that your visitors would benefit from the link&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t make much sense. We are doing it in spanish because there&#8217;s a huge deficit in documentation/screencasts for drupal in this language. Again, thanks!</p>
<p>@heathenx</p>
<p>About the vote, I voted for avi, but I guess i jumped into the vote too quickly&#8230; my vote would be now with mp4 after geting more information on the issue. Just thought I should mention this for what is worth! <img src='http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: heathenx</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>heathenx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Now we&#039;re getting some votes. Looks like AVI/FLV is winning at this point.

@fwolf

Ha!, don&#039;t worry. Either MP4 or FLV you&#039;ll still have a streaming version to watch online while you&#039;re at work. We&#039;re not taking that away from anyone. Just watch ep062 online and see how it streams for you. Should work the same as flash if you have the flash-plugin v9.0.115 or above. And...since we are streaming the MP4 it shouldn&#039;t tax your cpu like flash does. That&#039;s another benefit of streaming MP4&#039;s that we forgot to mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Now we&#8217;re getting some votes. Looks like AVI/FLV is winning at this point.</p>
<p>@fwolf</p>
<p>Ha!, don&#8217;t worry. Either MP4 or FLV you&#8217;ll still have a streaming version to watch online while you&#8217;re at work. We&#8217;re not taking that away from anyone. Just watch ep062 online and see how it streams for you. Should work the same as flash if you have the flash-plugin v9.0.115 or above. And&#8230;since we are streaming the MP4 it shouldn&#8217;t tax your cpu like flash does. That&#8217;s another benefit of streaming MP4&#8242;s that we forgot to mention.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Querin</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Querin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manuee - when you get your Drupal screencasting site up and going, drop us a line, we&#039;d give you some link love on the blog no problemo! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manuee &#8211; when you get your Drupal screencasting site up and going, drop us a line, we&#8217;d give you some link love on the blog no problemo! <img src='http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: manuee</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>manuee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard Querin

Ah yes, choosing encoder can be a real headache! Specially streamlining the whole process so that we don&#039;t loose all our free time in the process... heh. Me and some friends are trying to put together a screencasting site for the CMS Drupal, so I can relate to what you guys are going through here.

I personally am very grateful that I found your site, you guys do an outstanding job to the Inkscape community, and to the design world as a whole I would say. And the screencasts themselves are fun to watch, easy to follow, and practical examples, wich in my opinion is the best way to learn the workflow of a program. The least I can do is help out with my &quot;priceless&quot; input (lol), since now thanks to you I can make nice icons and even site mockups on Inkscape, and I think i get there faster than in other packages.

Inkscape is probably one of the packages with most potential in the free software world, it&#039;s amazing how powerful and flexible is ... yet it&#039;s still at 0.46 (stable)!! I can&#039;t even imagine how it&#039;ll be like when we finally get to Inkscape 1.0

But I&#039;m digressing here, best of luck to Heathenx on the task, and keep on doing a great job guys!

Greetings from Barcelona</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard Querin</p>
<p>Ah yes, choosing encoder can be a real headache! Specially streamlining the whole process so that we don&#8217;t loose all our free time in the process&#8230; heh. Me and some friends are trying to put together a screencasting site for the CMS Drupal, so I can relate to what you guys are going through here.</p>
<p>I personally am very grateful that I found your site, you guys do an outstanding job to the Inkscape community, and to the design world as a whole I would say. And the screencasts themselves are fun to watch, easy to follow, and practical examples, wich in my opinion is the best way to learn the workflow of a program. The least I can do is help out with my &#8220;priceless&#8221; input (lol), since now thanks to you I can make nice icons and even site mockups on Inkscape, and I think i get there faster than in other packages.</p>
<p>Inkscape is probably one of the packages with most potential in the free software world, it&#8217;s amazing how powerful and flexible is &#8230; yet it&#8217;s still at 0.46 (stable)!! I can&#8217;t even imagine how it&#8217;ll be like when we finally get to Inkscape 1.0</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m digressing here, best of luck to Heathenx on the task, and keep on doing a great job guys!</p>
<p>Greetings from Barcelona</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Querin</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Querin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manuee

Don&#039;t worry, I was initially misguided about the size increase too. Although heathenx is the one doing all the heavy lifting right now in terms of trying out different encoding tests, so I&#039;d like him to weigh in regarding the filesize issue.

Geez, 38 comments and counting. I&#039;m always bad for not reading through too. It&#039;s great  that at least we&#039;re hearing from our viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manuee</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, I was initially misguided about the size increase too. Although heathenx is the one doing all the heavy lifting right now in terms of trying out different encoding tests, so I&#8217;d like him to weigh in regarding the filesize issue.</p>
<p>Geez, 38 comments and counting. I&#8217;m always bad for not reading through too. It&#8217;s great  that at least we&#8217;re hearing from our viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: manuee</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>manuee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard QUerin

Then i was misguided by the filesize of this episode, my apologies on that heheh :)
The quality of the video is very great, even in fullscreen, i can handle a 10% increase in filesize, helps see the gradients etc bettter.

I guess I should&#039;ve read all comments before posting... but there&#039;s truely a lot to read hehe - hot topic.

I&#039;m ok with mp4 then i guess, &lt;3 screencasters -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard QUerin</p>
<p>Then i was misguided by the filesize of this episode, my apologies on that heheh <img src='http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The quality of the video is very great, even in fullscreen, i can handle a 10% increase in filesize, helps see the gradients etc bettter.</p>
<p>I guess I should&#8217;ve read all comments before posting&#8230; but there&#8217;s truely a lot to read hehe &#8211; hot topic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ok with mp4 then i guess, &lt;3 screencasters -</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Querin</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Querin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fwolf - Sorry, forgot to mention one thing before. Episode 062 that is up on the main site right now is a streaming MP4 file (and not a Flash file). Please check and let us know if you had any problems viewing it and any comments you had on the quality of the streaming version.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fwolf &#8211; Sorry, forgot to mention one thing before. Episode 062 that is up on the main site right now is a streaming MP4 file (and not a Flash file). Please check and let us know if you had any problems viewing it and any comments you had on the quality of the streaming version.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Querin</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Querin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manuee

As heathenx stated above, the equivalent avi file for this episode would have been about 130MB. So it&#039;s less than a 10% increase in filesize. Like he says, most of our episodes are about 60MB, so that would mean an increase to about 66MB. I&#039;m not so sure the increase is as big as it looks at first glance. I&#039;m thinking posting a 140MB sample maybe wasn&#039;t the best thing to illustrate the difference, but it&#039;s a great episode so what the heck! :) And if we are able to implement b-frames in the mp4 files, then we actually might be able to reduce the filesize from what it is now. 

And remember, that posting an mp4 file doesn&#039;t mean you need to use iTunes or an iPod (I use/own neither - or actually anything from Apple for that matter), it just gives this capability to those who want to.

@fwolf

The main benefit in terms of workflow for us is that we&#039;d be able to use the same mp4 file for both streaming AND direct downloading purposes. We will be providing a streaming version no matter what, the change would mean that we only have to host one file instead of two and we would have eliminated a whole encoding step from our workflow (encoding the flv file sometimes takes a hour on my lowly P4 system so this is not a small thing to me either).

Thanks for the comments people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manuee</p>
<p>As heathenx stated above, the equivalent avi file for this episode would have been about 130MB. So it&#8217;s less than a 10% increase in filesize. Like he says, most of our episodes are about 60MB, so that would mean an increase to about 66MB. I&#8217;m not so sure the increase is as big as it looks at first glance. I&#8217;m thinking posting a 140MB sample maybe wasn&#8217;t the best thing to illustrate the difference, but it&#8217;s a great episode so what the heck! <img src='http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And if we are able to implement b-frames in the mp4 files, then we actually might be able to reduce the filesize from what it is now. </p>
<p>And remember, that posting an mp4 file doesn&#8217;t mean you need to use iTunes or an iPod (I use/own neither &#8211; or actually anything from Apple for that matter), it just gives this capability to those who want to.</p>
<p>@fwolf</p>
<p>The main benefit in terms of workflow for us is that we&#8217;d be able to use the same mp4 file for both streaming AND direct downloading purposes. We will be providing a streaming version no matter what, the change would mean that we only have to host one file instead of two and we would have eliminated a whole encoding step from our workflow (encoding the flv file sometimes takes a hour on my lowly P4 system so this is not a small thing to me either).</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments people!</p>
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		<title>By: fwolf</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator>fwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I dont give a fuck about AVI - I dont like my browsers cluttered with inline media player crap - but I like the FLASHy way. Thus, I can view your stuff both at home and at work. At home, I can dl the stuff if I want to, but at work there&#039;s neither time nor bandwidth for this (remember: people are in a need of this bandwidth for THEIR work).

So, PLEASE stick to the flash, but I really dont care whether you use AVI or MP4 for download and archiving purposes.

cu, w0lf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I dont give a fuck about AVI &#8211; I dont like my browsers cluttered with inline media player crap &#8211; but I like the FLASHy way. Thus, I can view your stuff both at home and at work. At home, I can dl the stuff if I want to, but at work there&#8217;s neither time nor bandwidth for this (remember: people are in a need of this bandwidth for THEIR work).</p>
<p>So, PLEASE stick to the flash, but I really dont care whether you use AVI or MP4 for download and archiving purposes.</p>
<p>cu, w0lf.</p>
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		<title>By: Don W.</title>
		<link>http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2008/06/09/replacing-aviflv-with-mp4-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Don W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto: Manuee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto: Manuee</p>
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